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		<title>By: JohnHale</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnHale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...posted at MessiahNet.com

There are several difficulties Messianics face. Traditionalism is about the biggest obstacle... traditionalism that implores the Messianic to lean to traditional Christianity or to lean to traditional Judaism.

Traditional Christianity is fraught with pagan infiltrations and influences.

Traditional Judaism has refocused its corp purpose to be anti-Jesus. And that in the words of non-Messianic Jew Michael Medved. Citing that the purpose of Judaism ought to get back to being about being Jews rather than how not Christian &quot;we&quot; are.

footnote: lots of luck with that since it&#039;s the Jew&#039;s own Bible that those who reject Yeshua are &quot;running&quot; from...

In the absence of the Jewish leadership God intended in what has become &quot;Christianity,&quot; gentiles (who may have been sincere and did the best they could) could not help bringing some of their pagan culture and upbringings into the arena of faith in the Jewish Messiah.

Some would argue that Constantine and mum (the Trumps of the 4th century CE) set out to invent a religion... the religion of state... a crumbling state... in an attempt to shore up that state... which would make sense of all the pagan additions some to appease Roman citizens or rulers, some to appease conquered pagan civilizations...

And the Protestant Reformation did not reform nearly enough. Most Catholic traditions have found their way into the most far flung variety of Christianity.

So here stands the Messianic with Bible in one hand and prayer shawl and yarmulke in the other staring at the cross roads ahead. The answer is not in the paths ahead nor in the elements... but in the word.

Rabbi Sha&#039;ul / Apostle Paul made a very interesting comment:

Romans 9:6 (KJV)
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

How can one be Israel and not Israel?

And this has application not only under the new covenant but under the old covenant as well (Jeremiah 31:31-37).

My point is, the thing that has most hindered the Messianic is the patterning of one&#039;s faith after that which is NOT Yisro&#039;el (both Jew and Gentile). That we Messianics are the pattern setters and not the other way around. And in so being we will bring the word of God unhindered and unfettered by human interpolations into the lost and dying world...

So let it be that the name Yeshua HaMoshiakh will enter this dark world and be spread throughout till he comes back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;posted at MessiahNet.com</p>
<p>There are several difficulties Messianics face. Traditionalism is about the biggest obstacle&#8230; traditionalism that implores the Messianic to lean to traditional Christianity or to lean to traditional Judaism.</p>
<p>Traditional Christianity is fraught with pagan infiltrations and influences.</p>
<p>Traditional Judaism has refocused its corp purpose to be anti-Jesus. And that in the words of non-Messianic Jew Michael Medved. Citing that the purpose of Judaism ought to get back to being about being Jews rather than how not Christian &#8220;we&#8221; are.</p>
<p>footnote: lots of luck with that since it&#8217;s the Jew&#8217;s own Bible that those who reject Yeshua are &#8220;running&#8221; from&#8230;</p>
<p>In the absence of the Jewish leadership God intended in what has become &#8220;Christianity,&#8221; gentiles (who may have been sincere and did the best they could) could not help bringing some of their pagan culture and upbringings into the arena of faith in the Jewish Messiah.</p>
<p>Some would argue that Constantine and mum (the Trumps of the 4th century CE) set out to invent a religion&#8230; the religion of state&#8230; a crumbling state&#8230; in an attempt to shore up that state&#8230; which would make sense of all the pagan additions some to appease Roman citizens or rulers, some to appease conquered pagan civilizations&#8230;</p>
<p>And the Protestant Reformation did not reform nearly enough. Most Catholic traditions have found their way into the most far flung variety of Christianity.</p>
<p>So here stands the Messianic with Bible in one hand and prayer shawl and yarmulke in the other staring at the cross roads ahead. The answer is not in the paths ahead nor in the elements&#8230; but in the word.</p>
<p>Rabbi Sha&#8217;ul / Apostle Paul made a very interesting comment:</p>
<p>Romans 9:6 (KJV)<br />
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:</p>
<p>How can one be Israel and not Israel?</p>
<p>And this has application not only under the new covenant but under the old covenant as well (Jeremiah 31:31-37).</p>
<p>My point is, the thing that has most hindered the Messianic is the patterning of one&#8217;s faith after that which is NOT Yisro&#8217;el (both Jew and Gentile). That we Messianics are the pattern setters and not the other way around. And in so being we will bring the word of God unhindered and unfettered by human interpolations into the lost and dying world&#8230;</p>
<p>So let it be that the name Yeshua HaMoshiakh will enter this dark world and be spread throughout till he comes back.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Young</title>
		<link>http://www.perfect-word.org/2010/06/09/community-relationships-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family, too, has no place to go for services within an acceptable driving distance. I watch online services, but there&#039;s no real fellowship in that. I have decided that the only way to get the fellowship we seek is to start a group myself....trouble is...I don&#039;t feel that I know enough about the Hebrew side of things in order to teach others. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family, too, has no place to go for services within an acceptable driving distance. I watch online services, but there&#8217;s no real fellowship in that. I have decided that the only way to get the fellowship we seek is to start a group myself&#8230;.trouble is&#8230;I don&#8217;t feel that I know enough about the Hebrew side of things in order to teach others. <img src='http://www.perfect-word.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.perfect-word.org/2010/06/09/community-relationships-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all the &quot;Great Hoped For American Revival&quot; is really nowhere to be seen despite the hype coming from the God Channel, the Elijah List and the like. A number of scholars and writers have nailed it, like Francis Schaeffer and Arnold Fruchtenbaum. This is now a post-Christian society and Dr. Schaeffer got it right 20 years ago before he died. The regathering in Israel (Aliyah) is a gathering in unbelief prior to the Time of Jacob&#039;s Trouble. (See Dr Frucht&#039;s material.) The Time of the End-Time signs is now coming upon us  The stats from Barna &amp; Rasmussen clearly show apathy, accomodation and  worldliness in the Church. The lack of insight regarding the Islamic Jihad is appalling; it is time to Wake Up America! The ONLY hope is that the dichotomy between the true believers and the visible church becomes so obvious that even the world will recognize those who are sold out to the Messiah of Nazareth and those who are just playing religion. The KEY is Israel; it always was, is and will be. Our heart attitude towards the People and the Land of the Book is paramount. Let the Great Apostasy take its course; just choose not to be a part of it. There is YOUR great revival. And the greatest revival the world has ever seen will be yet to come in the Land of Israel during the Tribulation period. In the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach.
Baruch HaShem: Jonathan David Cook</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all the &#8220;Great Hoped For American Revival&#8221; is really nowhere to be seen despite the hype coming from the God Channel, the Elijah List and the like. A number of scholars and writers have nailed it, like Francis Schaeffer and Arnold Fruchtenbaum. This is now a post-Christian society and Dr. Schaeffer got it right 20 years ago before he died. The regathering in Israel (Aliyah) is a gathering in unbelief prior to the Time of Jacob&#8217;s Trouble. (See Dr Frucht&#8217;s material.) The Time of the End-Time signs is now coming upon us  The stats from Barna &amp; Rasmussen clearly show apathy, accomodation and  worldliness in the Church. The lack of insight regarding the Islamic Jihad is appalling; it is time to Wake Up America! The ONLY hope is that the dichotomy between the true believers and the visible church becomes so obvious that even the world will recognize those who are sold out to the Messiah of Nazareth and those who are just playing religion. The KEY is Israel; it always was, is and will be. Our heart attitude towards the People and the Land of the Book is paramount. Let the Great Apostasy take its course; just choose not to be a part of it. There is YOUR great revival. And the greatest revival the world has ever seen will be yet to come in the Land of Israel during the Tribulation period. In the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach.<br />
Baruch HaShem: Jonathan David Cook</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.perfect-word.org/2010/06/09/community-relationships-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-445</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I can empathize with you.  I attended that congregation 7 years.  I now have 2 outlets for my love of our Jewish Messiah.  I attend a Jewish Heritage Bible study/cell group at KPC on Tuesday evenings at 7 p.m.  For Shabbat, one of the ladies in the group and myself carpool to Congregation Zion&#039;s Sake in Newport News.  The tunnel is always a joy on Friday evenings -- HAHAHA!

For everyone needing spiritual food, the entire Zion Sake Shabbat service is available live on the internet every Friday evening starting at 7:30 p.m.  The sermons can be heard on their website anytime.  Rabbi Eric Carlson is a very dynamic speaker and quite balanced in his theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I can empathize with you.  I attended that congregation 7 years.  I now have 2 outlets for my love of our Jewish Messiah.  I attend a Jewish Heritage Bible study/cell group at KPC on Tuesday evenings at 7 p.m.  For Shabbat, one of the ladies in the group and myself carpool to Congregation Zion&#8217;s Sake in Newport News.  The tunnel is always a joy on Friday evenings &#8212; HAHAHA!</p>
<p>For everyone needing spiritual food, the entire Zion Sake Shabbat service is available live on the internet every Friday evening starting at 7:30 p.m.  The sermons can be heard on their website anytime.  Rabbi Eric Carlson is a very dynamic speaker and quite balanced in his theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivian Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.perfect-word.org/2010/06/09/community-relationships-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivian Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 08:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no place to attend.  When I attended a church I was at every service. 4-5 times every week but when I became  Messianic in my walk with the LORD, I was rejected by my church and have since moved here to the Chandler area in AZ.  I have not found a place to worship and often have to work on Sat. so am limited as to where and when I might be able to attend some type of study.  Your literature has been a blessing to me.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no place to attend.  When I attended a church I was at every service. 4-5 times every week but when I became  Messianic in my walk with the LORD, I was rejected by my church and have since moved here to the Chandler area in AZ.  I have not found a place to worship and often have to work on Sat. so am limited as to where and when I might be able to attend some type of study.  Your literature has been a blessing to me.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: RosahMarie</title>
		<link>http://www.perfect-word.org/2010/06/09/community-relationships-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>RosahMarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the time I am not sure how to respond to being Jewish...my up bringing has not had any training...in this area, my father is a fearful man and with his age it has caught up to him. He lived during the war in Germany.  I do go to a regularly to a local church, but I want to learn more about my cultural back round it has not been a easy road. I have a personal relationship with the Messiah. The Church I go to acknowleges the Sabbath, but we worship on the first day of the week. They are very open and intouch with connecting to the history of the Bible and bring that in to church teaching and training. This is where My husband  and I  are for the time...until the Father Abba tells us differently. We live on Vancouver Isand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the time I am not sure how to respond to being Jewish&#8230;my up bringing has not had any training&#8230;in this area, my father is a fearful man and with his age it has caught up to him. He lived during the war in Germany.  I do go to a regularly to a local church, but I want to learn more about my cultural back round it has not been a easy road. I have a personal relationship with the Messiah. The Church I go to acknowleges the Sabbath, but we worship on the first day of the week. They are very open and intouch with connecting to the history of the Bible and bring that in to church teaching and training. This is where My husband  and I  are for the time&#8230;until the Father Abba tells us differently. We live on Vancouver Isand.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick M West</title>
		<link>http://www.perfect-word.org/2010/06/09/community-relationships-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick M West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 01:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for me, 

my mainstay of the Messianic Community consists of individuals that I have met over the Internet, and just a few real-live people that are tangible. Unfortunately, the deeper one goes in their walk with Yeshua--and in pursuit of the Truth: the Whole Truth and nothing but the Truth--the fewer people you run into who are traveling that same path. But Baruch HaShem for that small handful who are!!

As strange as this may sound, no words can express my gratitude and thankfulness for this &quot;online community&quot;.
It is here that we get to share our hearts and the Scriptures with one another; and share how HaShem is working in our hearts, lives and ministries. The fellowship has blossomed into regular phone calls, cards and letters also among the few. I do wish it was more tangible though.

All involved in my online fellowship community, are scattered around the country and the world, and we all listen to different Teachers and have somewhat differing perspectives. To me this is healthy, as it causes all of us to challenge one another, and question the thoughts and beliefs that are presented to each other. I think the road to finding the Truth--and weeding out error--lies in the multitude of Believers presenting their cases objectively and then looking for &quot;loop holes&quot; that would crash a thesis.
If there are no Scriptures that can overthrow your beliefs--then you are probably onto the right path. So we take those more solid beliefs and see who else concurs with them.

I wish Messianic congregations were as plentiful as Christian churches are, but they are not. So I think it&#039;s time all of us forge ahead and do our best to obey Yeshua&#039;s Commission. Perhaps if we all rose up and started a Network, a multitude of new congregations would be birthed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for me, </p>
<p>my mainstay of the Messianic Community consists of individuals that I have met over the Internet, and just a few real-live people that are tangible. Unfortunately, the deeper one goes in their walk with Yeshua&#8211;and in pursuit of the Truth: the Whole Truth and nothing but the Truth&#8211;the fewer people you run into who are traveling that same path. But Baruch HaShem for that small handful who are!!</p>
<p>As strange as this may sound, no words can express my gratitude and thankfulness for this &#8220;online community&#8221;.<br />
It is here that we get to share our hearts and the Scriptures with one another; and share how HaShem is working in our hearts, lives and ministries. The fellowship has blossomed into regular phone calls, cards and letters also among the few. I do wish it was more tangible though.</p>
<p>All involved in my online fellowship community, are scattered around the country and the world, and we all listen to different Teachers and have somewhat differing perspectives. To me this is healthy, as it causes all of us to challenge one another, and question the thoughts and beliefs that are presented to each other. I think the road to finding the Truth&#8211;and weeding out error&#8211;lies in the multitude of Believers presenting their cases objectively and then looking for &#8220;loop holes&#8221; that would crash a thesis.<br />
If there are no Scriptures that can overthrow your beliefs&#8211;then you are probably onto the right path. So we take those more solid beliefs and see who else concurs with them.</p>
<p>I wish Messianic congregations were as plentiful as Christian churches are, but they are not. So I think it&#8217;s time all of us forge ahead and do our best to obey Yeshua&#8217;s Commission. Perhaps if we all rose up and started a Network, a multitude of new congregations would be birthed!</p>
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		<title>By: Randol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Kevin. I&#039;m with Kimber. I would like very much to attended a Messianic Fellowship if their was one near where I live. The closest is 2 hours away. So right now it&#039;s all online. Thank you so very much for sharing with me the blessings that Yeshua has given you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Kevin. I&#8217;m with Kimber. I would like very much to attended a Messianic Fellowship if their was one near where I live. The closest is 2 hours away. So right now it&#8217;s all online. Thank you so very much for sharing with me the blessings that Yeshua has given you.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am responding to Kimber&#039;s post on June 10.  I live in the Tri-State area of Ohio and travel to Pittsburgh for fellowship at a Messianic Congregation.  Kimber, how far south are you in Ohio?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am responding to Kimber&#8217;s post on June 10.  I live in the Tri-State area of Ohio and travel to Pittsburgh for fellowship at a Messianic Congregation.  Kimber, how far south are you in Ohio?</p>
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		<title>By: Abbigail Bozeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abbigail Bozeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the messianic synagogue that I would like to attend located in Dallas, Tx.  And I currently live in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I will not be critical of any other Church or Congregation. I would say that I only desire what Yeshua has place in my heart. So I am seeking G-d to know his perfect will. Shalom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the messianic synagogue that I would like to attend located in Dallas, Tx.  And I currently live in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I will not be critical of any other Church or Congregation. I would say that I only desire what Yeshua has place in my heart. So I am seeking G-d to know his perfect will. Shalom</p>
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